I was listening to a friend of mine extoll the virtues of X11 (it even runs on an apple!) I found this, which about sums it up: http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~bcd/humor/saynotox.html X windows. Simplicity made complex. X windows. Don't get frustrated without it. Gave me a good afternoon chuckle. brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/