[UFO Chicago] Java IDE

Larry Garfield lgarfiel@students.depaul.edu
Mon, 07 Jan 2002 23:42:59 -0600

Amen!  If Java were REALLY done right, you'd drop a .jar file into a
directory, execute it with a double-click (or "java blah.jar" for the
command-line set) and be done with it.  Until you have that, Java is
little more than business glue, a Perl for those who think Perl isn't
"professional enough" because it lacks a major company behind it.  It
hasn't got a chance in consumer space.

It's the same on Windows, most Java programs suck, even those from big
professional companies like IBM.

Nick Moffitt wrote:
> begin  Elliot Shank  quotation:
> > Heh.  If you're going to start working in Java, you're going to have
> > to start getting used to changing JVMs... you'll always be switching
> > between several.
> Quoth
> http://sakima.ivy.net/~carton/academia/java_languageoftomorrow.html
> > If Java was designed to be portable, why is it so much easier to
> > port C programs to different Unixes than it is to port Java programs
> > to Java Runtime Environments on different Unixes? I've heard people
> > complain they cannot get the Freenet distribution (an anonymous
> > file-sharing and publishing architecture written in Java) to work on
> > JRE X, so they are trying JRE's Y and Z instead to see if problems
> > are less catastrophic there. If Freenet were a C program, it would
> > have been picked up by all the Unix package collections by now, and
> > would be just as easy to install as lynx or mutt. Since it's written
> > in Java, it's a portability nightmare, and only a small inner circle
> > has gotten it almost-working. Java's decoy claims of portability
> > have in effect killed the Freenet, and dragged the Freenet
> > architecture down to the same level of broken fantastic promises
> > that Java makes. ``The mythical Freenet about which we have heard so
> > much.''
> >
> > If Java itself is portable, then why isn't there a portable way to
> > install and run a Java program without dealing with spaghetti
> > .class-files, setting CLASSPATH, and referring to arcane modules
> > contained within .jar files? Why do we have to use a Unix shell
> > script to start a supposedly-portable Java program?

Larry Garfield

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