[sklyarov-chicago] from Adobe

[Michael Cannon]

Even though Adobe instigated this specifically to deny
this man his freedom?

Mike
--- Nate Riffe <inkblot@geocities.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Michael Cannon wrote:
> 
> > Again, you're the boss...but don't you think we
> should
> > strike while the iron is hot?
> 
> Because Adobe is a very small corner of a very large
> iron.  There are many
> DMCA supports, and now that Adobe has backed away
> from Sklyarov, that is
> all Adobe is... a DMCA supporter.
> 
> > 
> > Considering the attention-span of the average
> > 'sheeple' in the American public, we won't GET a
> > better chance...additionally, the talk is moving
> to
> > 'amending' and away from REPEALING the
> DMCA...finally,
> 
> I think we should stick to repealing, because when
> it comes time to
> bargain with the pro-DMCA side, we'd better be in a
> position to make
> concessions.
> 
> > 
> > -EULA - contracts that are illegal in any other
> > context
> > -UCITA - protections provided to no other industry
> > segment (and certain provisions re-inforce the
> DMCA
> > and further criminalize Fair Use)
> > -DMCA - THE monster - not only civil penalties,
> but
> > criminal ones...we go to jail, deprived of our
> freedom
> 
> And the civil ones... we go to the soup kitchen,
> deprived of our
> socioeconomic power.
> 
> > 
> > You don't see these folks as evil. 
> 
> Yes, I do see them as evil.  I also see you as hasty
> and
> irrational.  Until we are properly prepared to move
> forward, I think we
> should stick with our existing strategy, which so
> far has been to
> publicize what has happened with OUR spin, rather
> than the corporate spin.
> 
> > I do.  They are
> > going to try to get away with anything they can. 
> They
> > are spreading this poison to other countries, via
> WIPO
> > and corporate influences. 
> 
> We'll add WIPO to the Survivor game, then.
> 
> > Just because something is a
> > treaty, doesn't mean we have to ratify it (START,
> ABM,
> > the BioWar Protocols, Kyoto).
> > 
> > The government and the Korps are laughing at us,
> or
> > can't you hear them?  the EFF is using this to
> recruit
> > members.  Adobe is using us, too.  Look at their
> stock
> > price.  There IS no such thing as bad publicity.
> > 
> > You are an organizer - THE organizer, IIRC - and I
> am
> > simply and civilly disagreeing.  Without escaltion
> and
> > noise, we will be ignored and this crap wil
> continue
> > to spread.
> 
> Please read the Art of War, if you have not already.
>  And if you have,
> please read it again.
> 
> We need preparation more than anything else right
> now.  We need:
> 
> - An authoritative source stating the original
> purpose of the DMCA (for
> comparison to it actual effect)
> - An authoritative source stating the original
> intent of Article I,
> Section 8, paragraph 8 of the Constitution ("To
> promote the progress of
> science and useful arts, by securing for limited
> times to authors and
> inventors the exclusive right to their respective
> writings and
> discoveries")
> - An authoritative source stating contemporary
> jurisprudence surrounding
> Const. I,8,8.
> - A comprehensive list of ludicrous statements made
> in support of the DMCA
> - A comprehensive list of ludicrous statements we
> should avoid making
> against the DMCA
> - A refutation of every pro-DMCA argument that has
> been made
> - Solid research backing every anti-DMCA point that
> we make
> - An exhaustive list of the incidents in which the
> pro-DMCA camp has
> abused the DMCA (executed powers under the DMCA in a
> manner harmful to the
> common good)
> - A comparison of rights under pre-DMCA copyright
> law and current law
> - Form letters ready to send to Congress WRT
> reconsidering the DMCA
> - A list of internationally recognized rights which
> have been violated
> over the course of Sklyarov's visit to the United
> States
> - A list of traditional rememedies for violation of
> those rights
> - Several solidly researched arguments in favor of
> Sklyarov's release
> - Examples of abuse of power by Mueller
> - Several solidly researched arguments against
> Mueller's nomination
> - Form letters ready to send to Congress WRT
> Mueller's nomination hearings
> 
> If possible someone should draft a bill that would
> repeal or neuter the
> DMCA and send it out for peer review over the next
> several weeks, and then
> to Congressman Rick Boucher for submission to the
> Congressional dockett.
> 
> > 
> > Adobe, the MPAA, the BSA...all of them are the
> > problems.  We are the only solution.  We have the
> > attention of the media and the masses.  It's time
> to
> > act!
> 
> Knee-jerk.  Too soon.  We must attack when we are
> strongest.  It is better
> to fight a defensive battle than a offensive battle,
> for it leads your
> opponent out of his fortifications.
> 
> Translation, we need to observse the response to our
> protests and then
> thoroughly refute it on Monday.  If there is no
> observable response from
> our opposition, we should simply replay the first
> protest while we dig in
> for the third.
> 
> Go read Sun Tsu now!
> 
> > 
> > I will be patient and follow
> orders/dirctives...but
> > you need to think about where we take this, Peter,
> and
> > how far you are willing to go. THAT is the
> > responsibility of a leader.
> 
> See above.
> 
> > 
> > BTW, I destroyed ALL Adobe SW on my corporate and
> > personal computers at my business and here at home
> (I
> > own the business and the computers and software -
> I am
> > not advocating damage to others' property!).  My
> > offices are now declared 'Adobe Free' areas.  No
> > Acrobat or .pdf files are allowed. 
> 
> We should be sure to publicize this at the right
> moment, and not in haste.
> 
> > HTML only.  I am
> > also divesting.  My accountant estimates this will
> > cost me in excess of $15000 in lost business and
> > additional work next month.  The divestiture's
> damage
> > will be a bit more.  
> > 
> > For those that are interested, the link to all the
> > Adobe companies is:
> > 
> 
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